{"id":1507,"date":"2019-01-26T00:05:45","date_gmt":"2019-01-26T00:05:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/knowyourteam.com\/blog\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=1507"},"modified":"2025-04-21T15:07:58","modified_gmt":"2025-04-21T22:07:58","slug":"episode-21-interview-with-katrina-markoff-founder-ceo-of-vosges-haut-chocolat","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/canopy.is\/blog\/podcast\/episode-21-interview-with-katrina-markoff-founder-ceo-of-vosges-haut-chocolat\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 21: Interview with Katrina Markoff, Founder + CEO of Vosges Haut-Chocolat"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe width=\"1400\" height=\"788\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/vOHQUTf62_k?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-as-the-creator-of-a-luxury-chocolate-empire-exceeding-35mm-annually-katrina-shares-insights-on-what-not-to-forget-as-a-leader\">As the creator of a luxury chocolate empire exceeding $35MM annually, Katrina shares insights on what not to forget as a leader.<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Every few weeks as part of&nbsp;<\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/theheartbeat.news\/\"><em>The&nbsp;<\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/knowyourteam.com\/blog\/podcast\"><em>Heartbeat<\/em><\/a><em>, I asks one question to a founder, CEO, or business owner I respect about their biggest leadership lesson learned.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/katrinamarkoff\">Katrina Markoff<\/a>&nbsp;is the Founder and CEO of&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vosgeschocolate.com\/\">Vosges Haut-Chocolat<\/a>, an international chocolate company that exceeds $35MM in revenue annually. Katrina has been featured on the Food Network, not to mention countless <g class=\"gr_ gr_5 gr-alert gr_gramm gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim Grammar replaceWithoutSep\" id=\"5\" data-gr-id=\"5\"><g class=\"gr_ gr_5 gr-alert gr_gramm gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim Grammar replaceWithoutSep\" id=\"5\" data-gr-id=\"5\">of<\/g><\/g> publications like Fast Company, Inc, CNN, and Glamour. In our in-person interview, Katrina shares the importance of knowing what you\u2019re&nbsp;<em>not<\/em>&nbsp;good at, trusting your gut, and connecting with your leadership team.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Hi, everyone. I\u2019m\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/cjlew23\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Claire Lew<\/a>\u00a0and I\u2019m the CEO of <a href=\"https:\/\/canopy.is\/?utm_source=blog&amp;utm_medium=post&amp;utm_campaign=heartbeat-podcast\">Canopy<\/a> (formerly Know Your Team\/Know Your Company). Today I am thrilled to have with me the one and only\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/katrinamarkoff\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Katrina Markoff<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If any of you have ever heard or eaten&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vosgeschocolate.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Vosges chocolate<\/a>&nbsp;which I have in my kitchen all the time\u200a\u2014\u200a<a href=\"http:\/\/www.vosgeschocolate.com\/product\/matcha-green-tea-spirulina-bar\/exotic-candy-bars\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">this is my favorite bar<\/a>\u200a\u2014\u200aKatrina is the founder and chocolatier of this amazing brand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>She studied in Paris and built this company from the ground up. It\u2019s all about this ethos of being able to travel, in many ways, when you eat chocolate. You can find her chocolate in, obviously, high end boutiques all across the world, but I think the thing that\u2019s really unique about what you do too is you also make it very accessible. You actually have locations at O\u2019Hare International Airport. You distribute your bars also through Whole Foods.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And then something that I actually learned today that I had no idea about is, she recently launched a new brand of chocolate called&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.wildophelia.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wild Ophelia<\/a>&nbsp;and all the proceeds go towards an accelerator that they have for young women entrepreneurs in high school that are in food businesses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: High school and college.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Absolutely amazing. I know you\u2019ve also been on the Food Network and in all these publications. Katrina is the real deal. She\u2019s based here in Chicago. I\u2019m lucky to know her and I admire you a lot.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: Thank you so much, Claire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Oh, my gosh, of course.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: It\u2019s great to do this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: I\u2019ve got this one question to ask you, Katrina, about leadership and that is, what\u2019s one thing you wish you would have learned earlier as a leader?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.knowyourteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/34c20-1pu8gvvf_yvn3qv6yoo3ftg.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: I think the importance of staying really close to your leadership team, really aligned and really close. As your business grows from entrepreneurial startup to much bigger, wider teams, you\u2019re pulled. I\u2019m pulled so much as the founder and the face of the brand into being PR focused and speaking focused and whatnot. And I would say, it took me a lot out of the company and I am naturally an introvert.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Oh, really? I would never have guessed that. Me too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: So I\u2019ve learned through bumps and hills and valleys that you can\u2019t lose that connection with your team because it\u2019s so often they\u2019re working for you, for your vision. That connectivity to you is part of the reason they\u2019re there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>So as you get drawn more and more out, you have to remember how do you connect\u00a0again.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>That is in ways of lunch or getting feedback or social outings with your team. I think that\u2019s important, not to lose sight of that. It seems maybe that\u2019s obvious, but actually \u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: It\u2019s hard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>:&nbsp;\u2026 it\u2019s hard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: It might be obvious, to your point, but it\u2019s hard in practice. I think everyone who\u2019s watching this is probably nodding their heads going, \u201cOh, yeah, as a CEO or as a leader being out, doing, speaking, being out promoting, etc, you forget to reconnect with the team. For you though, how big is your leadership team? How many people do you have? How big is actually Vosges as a company right now?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: We probably have around 100 employees and it flexes up depending on the seasonality because we make a lot of chocolate during the holidays and so it goes up. But in reverse, it\u2019s the core group of leaders in the organization, maybe there\u2019s eight to 10, but those are very important eight to 10 people that need to feel like they\u2019re important to you. I had kids too which is a whole other level of distraction from being a founder, single, then got married, then had kids. All that stuff is taking that part of you. I think the more you can set up those connection points with your team and also, of course, hire the right people who are very entrepreneurial in nature, as I like to say, or take a lot of initiative, more the type that maybe you need to pull the reins, but less that you have to push up the hill and that need a lot of feedback from you to make those decisions. Figuring out how you change your team over the time of your life with the business and its initiation stages to the more mature space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Absolutely. No, that makes so much sense. I have a million questions I want to ask you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: The first part is around, you\u2019re talking about connection points, building connection points. So when you were saying, \u201cOh, it could be as simple as lunch.\u201d Is there anything you do particularly right now with the Vosges leadership team that might be considered counterintuitive about connection points or what do you try to do as a leader to make sure you\u2019re staying in contact with folks?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.knowyourteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/0d09a-1gvzpnoardijs14lelf2u1a.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: One of the things I\u2019ve been doing lately is really having the level playing field conversations like, \u201cPlease give me feedback. What are your ideas? How could we make this better? You tell me, give me feedback. Please give me feedback. What do I need to be doing better?\u201d Because I think the more down to earth and approachable they think you are, the better it can gel. I don\u2019t like top down organizations. People that are on the floor making the chocolates to people that are running those teams, they see so much that I don\u2019t see as much anymore. I worked in every area before which is super helpful to know how everything works, but then you get a little bit distance so you need to get their feedback and how can they feel comfortable giving you that information.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Sometimes having these titles makes people feel like they\u2019re so much further away from you than truly they are. Just really approaching it on a human level like, \u201cHow are we doing this together? Let\u2019s figure this out.\u201d I think that empowers people when they know they have a voice to you, especially with people that are\u00a0new.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>And also with all the new hires now, I\u2019m spending time with them, just even 15 minutes the first or second week it\u2019s like sharing my vision, getting to know who they are, what are their interests and really trying to connect so there feels like there\u2019s a trust.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Absolutely. Well, I think one benefit that you probably have in building that trust is, you do run a chocolate&nbsp;\u2026 how many of us run a chocolate company in the sense of the vision that everyone is gathering around and excited about is pretty aligned. Do you ever find any challenges though in the sense that because it\u2019s food, because it\u2019s chocolate, which is so pleasurable and won-&nbsp;\u2026 I mean, chocolate\u2019s one of my biggest loves in life. Do you find any tension around the fact that, \u201cWe are running a chocolate company, but at the same time, how do we make sure everyone is one the same page. I\u2019m curious about that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: When you first start, there\u2019s chocolate everywhere and it\u2019s really fun, but it\u2019s definitely a business too. It\u2019s really fun, but it\u2019s like how are we really focusing on the goals for each channel because there\u2019s so many channels within the business. It\u2019s fairly complicated in that way because we manufacture in-house, we do sell to other retailers like the Whole Foods of the world and Kroger\u2019s. Then we have our own retail boutiques and we have our own e-commerce and we have our own business development, own hospitality and events, now we\u2019re opening up our Chocolate Temple to the public. So there\u2019s a lot of complexity which makes for a really beautiful deep brand with a lot of story, but also complexity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: It\u2019s almost like seven different businesses that you just described to me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: Seven different little businesses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Absolutely. One of the things that you also mentioned too in managing that complexity is, you were saying, emphasizing the important of who you hire. And I loved what you said about finding people who you have to pull the reins back on instead of push up the hill. Can you tell me a little bit about that? When did you realize that was important? Did something happen or-<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: Yeah. I would say when I first started, I remember thinking, \u201cWell, we couldn\u2019t really afford to hire people that were too expensive. So we would hire-<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: I think we can all relate to that, all of us watching this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.knowyourteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/86d1e-1klecadumhu2gvzzjitdz-a.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: You\u2019re building a brand and there wasn\u2019t this huge foodie movement when I started and now it\u2019s pretty sexy being in the food business. In the beginning, it was just like really working side by side with them and showing them and then having them do it as opposed to necessarily hiring expertise that I was going to learn from and that was going to take off and just go. I think as we got bigger and I couldn\u2019t be in all the areas, it seemed clear to me that it was more and more important that people were driving it, that were taking the reins and doing it. I\u2019m not the best at hiring, I\u2019d say it\u2019s not my skill set. Recently, a woman who\u2019s just been an inadvertent mentor\/angel decided to lean in and help me. She literally helped me hire the last three or four people and she\u2019s really good at it. So one of the things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: What does she do that you don\u2019t do?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: She has an innate\u2026 I don\u2019t know, ability of how to judge people and ask questions and know who\u2019s good. In many cases, I probably wouldn\u2019t have hired the people she selected and they\u2019ve been rock stars. So it\u2019s very clear to me that it\u2019s not my forte to hire people. That\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>You have to know, probably almost more important, is to know what you\u2019re not good at than what you\u2019re good. You kind of already know what you\u2019re good\u00a0at.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Absolutely. I love that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: And you can\u2019t be good at everything. If you know someone who\u2019s quite good at doing something you have a deficit in, ask them to help, however. In this case, this woman was so generous. She\u2019s like, \u201cJust throw me a chocolate party, somewhere I\u2019ll help you out.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cOh, are you kidding?\u201d Angels show up all the time and she\u2019s definitely one of them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: That\u2019s amazing. I think what you said about knowing what you\u2019re not good at is almost more important than knowing what you are good at. I think that\u2019s such an important piece of wisdom. Also, hard to do, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Talk to me about, do you have to swallow your pride when you do that? How do you keep that in check because I think for a lot of leaders, we know what we\u2019re good at. I don\u2019t know if we always know what we\u2019re not good at.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: And the thing is, you always have to have a strong face for your board, for investors, for the press, whatever. It\u2019s very atypical to feel safe around saying what you\u2019re not good at.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Like the fact that you said, \u201cI\u2019m not good at hiring,\u201d and you\u2019re a CEO. No, no, no, I just mean like that\u2019s refreshing. That\u2019s super refreshing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.knowyourteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/d0b29-1gi-myiotsgdb7ao2ftntia.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: And it\u2019s real. At a certain point, when your company gets to a certain level too, you\u2019ve got to really know that clearly because, in my case, I\u2019m good at getting it from zero to 30ish million, but to get from 30 to 100 is a whole different game. In fact, what I find now is that I\u2019m setting myself up to go back to my roots which is my sweet spot which is really creating the vision, the story, the product, being the faith, those kinds of things that no one really else can do and building a team around innovation and stuff like that. Then it creates a bigger and broader group that can do what I do too. Yeah, you know when you get to these different levels, how you reassess.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Because, in the beginning, you have to be good at everything. But then, at some point, you have to say, \u201cReally, I\u2019m best at this and next level, I need these types of people to fill in my\u00a0gaps.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Absolutely. And I think there\u2019s something really interesting in the beginning, you have to be good at everything, but not necessarily great. Then when you get to a certain level, then you have to be actually great and world class in a few specific areas. It\u2019s very difficult to be great and world class in everything. That\u2019s when you need to find those people and admit to yourself, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m strong in this, I\u2019m strong, I\u2019m not.\u201d I\u2019m curious, for you, how do you keep that check? Do you have a person you talk to be like, \u201cHey, can you keep me grounded about what I\u2019m not good at,\u201d or is it your leadership team that keeps you in check. Is there something personally that you do and ask yourself questions. Is it an executive coach or is it a peer group?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: I\u2019ve had all of it. I\u2019ve had coaches, I\u2019ve had peer groups, I\u2019ve had my husband give me a lot of feedback. And you know, frankly, I\u2019m fairly self critical so I have a pretty good sense of that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Cl<\/strong>aire: We don\u2019t need more of that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Katrina: I\u2019m pretty hard on myself, but where I have a ton of fire and a ton of confidence is where I know that\u2019s my strength because it just naturally comes up and I can naturally be very strong about my opinions and I know that where there\u2019s passion, there\u2019s usually magnetism and there\u2019s usually something right about that. And I\u2019m super intuitive. I\u2019ve been like that this whole time, about this brand. I think when I veered off from being intuitive is when I\u2019ve made mistakes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Interesting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Whether it\u2019s all these people that seem to be much smarter than me in X, Y, Z and referring to data and whatnot. It\u2019s good to a point, but at the end of the day, intuition has to be the lead. And you have to be confident in your commitment to that. Because, in the end, that\u2019s the thing that makes us very different from AI, very different from the computers of the world. It\u2019s something that is a sense that humans have that we must continue to\u00a0honor.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Absolutely. Thank you so much for encouraging us to listen to ourselves, to trust that intuition. I think a lot of reason why people would even watch videos like this and like The Heartbeat is because they think, \u201cOh, someone else has the right answer. There\u2019s some advice out there that\u2019s good.\u201d And, it\u2019s the case.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: And, it\u2019s inside.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: It\u2019s inside. One of my favorite quick, I don\u2019t know if you said this, but it\u2019s just the thing I always repeat to myself is that, \u201cEverything you think you need, you already have.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: Exactly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: It\u2019s all inside.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: And trust the universe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Exactly. Well, Katrina, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with all of us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: I know we\u2019re all walking away just reminding ourselves to think about maybe the things we\u2019re not good at, but also at the same time, to listen to ourselves a little bit more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Katrina<\/strong>: Absolutely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Claire<\/strong>: Thank you so much again. 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